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DISCUSSTodd Bentley Fires Blanks in Texas
07/22/2008By Danny Gallagher
DENTON, Tex.--The University of North Texas "Super Pit" indoor stadium is packed to the nosebleed seats with people hoping to see a knee to the stomach, a poke check to the ribs, or the classic swift kick to the cojones–because they all know that mega-evangelist demon stomper Todd Bentley is IN THE HOUSE for one night only.
As the crowd gets lathered up for the event, there are long slow lines snaking out of the ladies rooms that could rival the wait times at Disney World. Overpriced bags of potato chips and canned soda wait behind counters for families who don't stop to think about things like food budgets or their children's blood sugar levels. And almost every seat has a butt planted firmly in it, including the handicapped and disabled sections that are filled with people in wheelchairs.
They want God and they want Todd, not necessarily in that order.
Bentley doesn't wear $2,000 custom made suits or exotic Italian shoes to show how God helped him attain his empire. He wears blue jeans with holes in the knees and Jesus-themed T-shirts that look like they came off the rack of an evangelical chopper shop. His arms are filled with a gaggle of tattoos that are a mesh of mutating gangrene through eyes from 20 rows away, and his face has an assortment of metal piercings and barbells, which are reminiscent of his early days as a hard-partying, drug-snorting, whiskey-soaked juvenile criminal who has a colored criminal rap sheet of assaults, burglaries and even sexual molestations, according to an investigative report conducted by the news magazine Report in Bentley's native Canada.
A native of British Columbia, Bentley became famous overnight after just four months of tent revivals in a Lakeland, Florida, RV park that are picked up and re-broadcast by an internet network called GOD TV. Bentley breaks the mold for itinerant healing acts, using street cred and biker lingo instead of the usual light shows and altar calls, but his supernatural story-spinning is truly inspired: messages from angels, out-of-body trips up to heaven, fantastic healings that are not only instantaneous but backed up by “documented medical evidence” that, according to the Associated Press, doesn’t get widely produced.
His revivals resemble Pantera shows. He doesn't just speak in tongues and scream into microphones. Bentley rids people of their emotional and physical demons by beating, slamming or kicking them out of their bodies because a) God commands him to, and b) "Sometimes when you're dealing with a demon spirit, it's done with great force."
Unfortunately, Todd is making a rare venture out of Lakeland just as his tent meetings are starting to burn out. A recent "Nightline" story painted his church in a very unflattering light both from the perspective of a father who brought his sick child all the way from Seattle to the local townspeople who feel his presence has put a blight on their small Southern city. Eventually Bentley announced he was leaving Lakeland "to reflect and to rest."
Apparently he’s about to find out that skipping town is the best thing he can do for his credibility anyway. The nearest parking space tonight is on the other side of Fouts Field and takes more than a half an hour to find, so I know the crowd is going to be a large one. Families trudge through the cement-steaming heat with their Bibles in one hand and children in the other. The most popular themed T-shirts are a Reese's Pieces wrapper parody and the eye-grabbing "Under the Influence…of Christ!" Bentley also draws more than his share of actual bikers, complete with the jackets, the vests and the colorsas well as a noticeable number of biker jackets and leather vests on the backs of bikers for Christ.
The pre-show features a soft rock band, the same band that seems to pop up at every revival, singing the same religious phrases 30 or 40 times through cheap-sounding concert equipment to whip the crowd into the kind of spirit-shaking frenzy that only an epileptic seizure could replicate. Just off to the side stands Bentley, psyching himself up, changing positions from lying on his stomach (ground meditation?) to pumping his fist to the blaring beat of the drums.
On this night Bentley shares a double bill with preacher Keith Miller of the Denton-based Stand World Firm Ministries who tells the assembled 8,000 that "Tonight, we're going to have an early Fourth of July" (minus, of course, the fireworks, free hot dogs and constant replaying of Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the U.S.A." until your ears bleed). Then finally, Miller asks the crowd to give Bentley "a great big God bless you" as he steps up to the mike and fulfills the crowd's insatiable appetite for some serious UFC-style demon ass-kicking.
Bentley knows how to work the crowd. He doesn't immediately launch into a barrage of BAMs or let the Holy Spirit ragdoll him into the "Curly Shuffle." Instead he starts with the revival equivalent of "Hello, Cleveland, are you ready to rock?"
"There was only two other times that I would go into another city and He was there," Bentley said, "but I didn't feel it the way I feel it now in Texas. This is the place where the fire of God will fall. It's already falling!"
The crowd feeds into his enthusiasm and Bentley launches into a rapid-fire repetition of "Holy Glory!" until the entire stadium can hear his vocal chords crack.
"Do you want the glory?!?" Bentley screams. "The smoking holy glory?!?"
He falls to both knees, shaking his head from side to side, as muffled screams reverberate through his rubbery lips.
"Let the outpouring come here tonight!" he shouts. "Let the coals fall tonight!"
Then he brings it down. Bentley talks about the early days of his ministry, visions of heavenly bodies and settings and divine prophecies as told through the mouths of angels. He talks about his legion of 10,000 "harvesters" who roam the streets of Lakeland looking to spread the word of his miracles and God's capacity to work through him. He even talks about his pilgrimages to cities and nations who are "hungry" for the word of God in a calm and registered tone–and all that lasts about eight seconds.
"I've come here to help spread the fire," Bentley says. "BAM! BAM!"
Four or five BAMs later Bentley utters an ear-shattering KABOOM in Miller's direction and the Denton preacher falls over backwards, shaking and twitching like a slab of bacon that's been thrown on a hot griddle.
Bentley goes on for another two hours about his divine medical miracles, supernatural surgeries, religious root canals and raising of 30 people from the dead, including one poor soul who asked his family to play his revival at the funeral and started knocking on the inside of the coffin. Unfortunately, there won't be any such miracles performed this night. No one in a wheelchair is pushed to the stage. No cancer survivors walk up the stairs to thank Bentley for kicking the carcinoma right out of them or a recently departed zombie for returning him to the land of the living. Not one crutch-clutching crowd member hobbles to the stage to get the holy head-butt from Bentley himself. Truth be told, I was a little disappointed.
So were a lot of other people who frankly had more of a right to be than I did. William Dembski, a research professor of philosophy at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, attended Bentley's Denton revival with his wife and their twin 7-year-old boys, one of whom is autistic, at the behest of his friends who told him Bentley had the healing touch. He couldn't even get his family down to the main floor to pray.
"Ushers twice prevented that from happening," Dembski said in the Baptist Press. "They noted that he was not in a wheelchair. . . . People with needs were shortchanged. It seemed that power, prestige and money (in that order) were dominating motives behind the meeting. Minimal time was given to healing, though plenty was devoted to assaulting our senses with blaring insipid music and even to Bentley promoting and selling his own products (books and CDs)."
Just before the revival reaches its third hour, Bentley asks for an offering. Badge-clad volunteers roam up and down the aisles with white plastic buckets while parents and adults whip out their checkbooks or pull some big bills out of their wallets, all of which would go to Miller's ministry, Bentley claimed. By that time it’s obvious there’s gonna be no carcinoma-kicking, so most of the contributors were probably just showing their gratitude for the absence of Lee Greenwood music.
RJ, Unfortunately your stance is typical of most fence sitting believers. I believe it is time to call things for what they are. I am angry because there are deceivers out there who are leading the sheep astray, while the Church on the whole says in a weak lilly livered manner "Oh we must not judge we should just pray for them, we are all sinners etc.." you get my drift. YES! we should judge, read your bible, we need to warn and protect the sheep in the strongest terms to repent and fully turn to Christ. Wake up for the time of strong delusion is upon us as a judgment for a backslidden lukewarm state. However I do not hate Todd Bentley I feel genuine pity for him, I will pray for him to come to his senses as I honestly believe he is sincere but deceived. I also feel in some way he is being set up fronting a movement by many in the new apostolic reformation movement and the dominionist, manifest sons of God crowd such as Paul Cain, Bob Jones (false prophets et all) etc. All of whom should know better. I am angry with their strategy. I am angry with the Toronto and Pensacola nonsense that led many astray (myself included for a time) I am angry that the propagators of those false revivals are behind Todd's false revival as if to bask in some reflected glory believing that it vindicates and re-fuels the former movement and keeps alive their flagging ministries. It sometimes seems that many of these more established 'stars' are pushing Todd to the front and in doing so will he become the fall guy? How many will still be supporting and honouring Todd Bentley once the dust settles and it is apparent to all that the gold was nothing more than at best dust.
(For a full understanding of 'Judge not' may I refer you to an article by James Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries)
Yours in Christ.
Anon,
From one knucklehead to another, that is one of the best posts I have ever read on The Door. I would tip my hat to you if I knew who you were.
That "woe to the person who pisses on His shoe" will be an indelible phrase for me. Just so you know, I will probably steal it in the near future and use it over at Serve! magazine sometime.
I'm not surprised that it doesn't work anymore for Bentley... Where is his faith? He stated on 17th july the next thing: "When God doesn't show up, thank God I have the gift of faith. So if God doesn't move, I move God"... Very 'big talk', as if God is Todd's miracle-machine and can only do something when Todd throws his faith-coin into it (or the people who gather there in that meetings give enough money...). God is a holy God, He is souvereign!
By the way: Bentley is not coming to the UK. The arena was not free to use... I'm glad he doesn't show up in the UK, because I think many christians from my country (Netherlands) would go there and be more deceived.
with regard to proclaiming oneself the 'house of G-d'... technically we are all houses of G-d. No one who has become a new creation is not. Xtians demolished the pagan notion of G-d living in manmade buildings and instead takes up residence in living beings, not needing to confine himself to a building or one location. It was the first religion of its kind that did not need symbols, an order, a central place of worship, or a leader to organize. It broke the rules.
We therefore are 'living stones' and the Church is an organic creation, a Being. We are holy temples, presented as living sacrifices to our creator. G-d is not confined by time or space as he flows through each of us, and doesn't need a temple or church building or sanctuary or movie theatre to complete his purpose.
So yes, anyone that considers himself or herself a leader is a 'house of G-d' and subject to judgment by G-d and by those who follow, by those inside the Body who are to hold the rest accountable. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better to live without a hand than for your entire body to burn in Sheol. If your eye is good, the body will be good. If your eye is bad (or split), then they body will be bad.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THIS,ONE DAY I WAS FLIPPING THROUGH THE CHANNELS AND CAME ACROSS THIS DISGUSTING SOUL THAT LOOKS LIKE A NEWSPAPERS FULL OF HOLES, TODD BENTLEY IS A DISGRACE TO ANYTHING AND ANYBODY, AND NO ONE SHOULD GO SEE HIM AND ASKED TO BE CURED BY HIM, HE IS A CHILD MOLESTER,STEALER,ROBBER,ETC. HE HAS BEEN INCARCERATED FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT,SEXUAL BATTERY, BREAKING AND ENTERING AND SO FORTH...... I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE CHANGE BUT ONE MUST NOT FORGET OF THE PAST AND MAYBE HE MADE A MISTAKE BY STEALING,ROBBING STORES,BATTERY STUFF OF THAT MATTER BUT HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN FORGIVEN FOR MOLESTING A 7 YEAR OLD CHILD HE SHOULD HAVE ROTTEN IN HELL FOR THAT NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO TAKE A CHILDS INNOCENCE EVEN IF THE "CONVERT" TO A CRISTIAN AFTERWARDS.... WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIM AND BELIEVES IN HIM AND PAYS TO GO SEE HIM AND MAKES HIM RICH SHOULD BE MOLESTED BY HIM JUST LIKE THAT LITTLE BOY WAS AND SUFFER LIKE ALL HIS VICTIMS...... HE IS A BIG LOSER AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON SOMEWHERE BEING BUBBA PRISON WIFE.... LIKE HE LIKES IT...
I have watched Todd Bentley from the computer and he is the biggest mock of the gospel.Todd wouldn't know the bible if it hit him in the face.The is many todds out there it is all about money,but people keep going i cant understand.even when they are exposed and people know they are false people go and shell out the green back and check books.It is sad.Give it to your home church dont't give it to men you see on tv.Like todd benny and many more.They live high lifes of luxury while others go home a dollar shorter.God does heal he healed me of being paralyzed from chest down for a year. but not from men like todd.It was from the many prayers of true christians that went to God.And Anyone that has read Gods word at all would know that todd and men and women like him are false.Todd calls angels down noone in Gods word ever called angels God sent them. And Todds trips to heaven only trips to heaven he has seen is when he see the money rolling in.And to say God heals thru violence is all wrong. Todd and his mentor Pat Kink the were wolf seeing woman are so silly and so false and Bob Jones it dont take much decerning to see and Paul cain is false.And far as todd he lies and the tattoos he has were not when he was 17 he is a liar.I have seen early videos. and the tattoos are very evil.The are in to kundalini.worship of the serpent,and call it christ it is not our Christ but a false one and the new movement new age.So people read the bible and ask god to lead you he will and it will be away from people like todd.
Charles Keith
Lest all ye nay sayers cast out the baby with the bath water, I understand that there was conclusive evidence that a woman suffering with restless leg sydrome for three weeks was miraculously healed. After being cured she danced the bugaloo on the stage while the band sang amazing grace to the tune of the "Bump". Now what say ye?
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when is this going to stop, the constant arguing, bikering back and forth, \i have read both sides, the bible also talks about stupid arguements. just discern. ask God how to answer, i am learning not to critize, call a spade a spade but don't through the baby out with the bath water, just speak the truth in love, hmmm yes that is a challenge, the truth is offensive enough without having to argue about stupid things, Todd may just be a pawn in the scheme of things, pray for him, he does have a soul after all, keep your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher, we are only a mist that can vaporize in a second, a flower that whithers and dies, maybe someone should just have a chat with Todd,,,, hmmm, rather than slam him on the internet. This is how we know we are of God, that we love our brother.... hmm How can we say we love God who we can't see when we don't love our brother that we can see, oh my, lots of things the scripture says, those are the scriptures he is having me read and I ask for his mercy and his compassion and love to flow through me, because I am nothing with out Him, I cannot love as he does, he does that through me, so then others will SEE HIM as turn to Jesus, we are talking about eternity after all, do you know how long you will live here on earth? I think not.
"...people hoping to see a knee to the stomach, a poke check to the ribs, or the classic swift kick to the cojones..." Uhmmm, where I come from, we call that assault and battery and we arrest folks for that kind of behavior.
DOOR!!!! Please take this article down!!!! I am sick of this topic!!!!! Bentley does not deserve 141 comments. Why not try some "best of" from the archives until you get yourselves together, that would be fun. Please do SOMETHING. PLEASE. please. plea.......
How about Rod Parsleys latest bit of new revelation....8/8/08
the day of new beginnings. Now is your forever..." If you don't have cancer now you never will". Did you seed in time? It's not much at all Rod recommends $88.08. Pretty good to be cancer free, rich, and best of all on Rods personnal prayer list. How can you top that? Hey Door why not light up parsley for a change?
Good point pigseye! Parsley is an over hyped moron! He'll do anything to siphon money from people's wallets! Parsley ought to practice what he preaches. His son tragically suffers from a form of autism. For him to promise people being cancer free if they send him money is outrageous! 8/8/08? Yeah I figured some bozo televangelist would use this!
this is your Groundhog Day.
I was there
It is real
Re/ anonymous "I was there it is real".
It was real alright, I watched it at least 30 minutes a day on God TV. Bently NEVER gave the gospel. Lots of superficial religious stuff going on in the guise of Spirituality. It is these kinds of revivals, sound and fury signifying nothing, that are in the forefront of causes for the sad statistics in Christianity today.
57% believe there are other ways to the father than thru Jesus.
50% don't believe in hell.
a high percentage don't believe in the devil( even when he is on stage )
despite this 95% say they believe the bible is the word of God.
Feel Good Jesus is a phenomenon that has encircled the globe. It requires no repentance, no commitment, and shallow belief system that when shaken its adherents are blown with every wind of of "new
revelatory doctrine", because they have no foundation in the word.
Vanity, vanity, all is vanity.
Damn, I need a girlfriend or a dog or something.
Pigseye, I am re-posting my comment here from page 3 to make sure you got it.
Pigseye, you don't strike me as a loving kind of person. You disguise your condemnation and critical spirit in false love and concern. I could be wrong but I think you are a sanctimonious, self righteous Pharisee. You love to think you have correct theology and it makes you feel so smart and righteous to have everything and everyone boiled down into your pretentious little categories. So you can take your perfect theology and stick it up your ass.
Budda,
Thank you so much for your heart felt thoughts. I will not however be sucked into your little world of smug agnosticism. I will say this however, you are not a prophet.
Lovingly yours
ken
The only thing more silly then Bently, is the xtains on this site who claim Bently to processed by the devil. One does not need the devils help to me a con man.
I was researching an article I read and happened on this web site and read all you're comments. I must say that I found it very funny at times and informative at other times and I thought, " what a great place for healthy debate.... Everything I read, whether I agree or not," has value and it's obvious that our opinions are tempered by our circumstance and experiences... I've spent many years in ministry and even more in the entertainment business and have been around the world and have seen many amazing things... I've been in the presence of some very well known people in the ministry who were complete phony's and others, to my delight, were real servants of God, and I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter if there is an obvious dog and pony show going on in that stadium, God will minister to those who come by faith even when you see that the man or woman on the podium is not quite what you expected. God will heal....I've seen it... and it brought me closer to the One who does the healing not the one asking for the donation and selling their products.... It gave me a better understanding of His grace and mercy even in the midst of some blatant blasphemy... Yes, we have to keep our eyes open and test the spirit and bring all things back to the Word but most of all we have to seek a closer relationship with Jesus... Thru the Word and prayer and sharing on pages like this... Everything we need to know He has already told us.. Let us glorify Him no matter what our calling is.... No matter what strange and wacked out people do in His name it's not going to change His plan one bit.... Worse is going to happen as the Word has pointed out, and we need to be full of the Spirit and a desire that no matter what happens we will not fail to glorify Him in all we say and do to the very end...
Yeah I agree with some of your comments. Philippians 1:15-18 says that some "preach Christ from envy and rivalry." Although I don't think Todd B. is doing a very good job of exalting Christ. But guys like that can't go on forever. Sooner or later God's mercy turns to judgement. Judgement in the form of falling into some sin that they can't wriggle out of. Like Bakker and Swaggart. Believe it or not I honestly want to see Todd repent and truly believe the Gospel. The dog and pony shows have no real staying power anyway. Yesterday the Toronto "blessing" and Pensacola. Today Todd Bentley. Tomorrow,who knows? But there'll be something to dazzle the masses. Yes test the spirits is a command in Scripture. And yes that calls for discernment and judging. In America that's not a popular stance to take.
I went to Lakeland a few weeks ago to "check it out for myself". Bently wasn't there. The guy who spoke [is this a pattern?] bragged about all the powerful healings he was a part of. He mentioned in a fleeting moment "open your Bible to...", got distracted and never actually opened the Word.
Why is it a charastic of these preachers/healers to promote themselves, their personal ministries, and what they are doing for God? Is that what we are calling a "spirit filled" servant?
Why is God's Word not the center of the meeting?
Why is the speaker's ego/pride so important in the meeting?
Why isn't Christ being exaulted more?
from Rory, Wendy and the GOD TV Board of Directors
Dear One,
It is with great regret that we as Founders and our Board call you to urgent prayer.
As you may have already heard, Todd and Shonnah Bentley are experiencing some current marital difficulties and have separated.
GOD TV is anxious that our viewers and partners will first of all respond to these unfortunate circumstances with an attitude of Christ-like maturity and pray fervently for Todd, Shonnah and their children as a family who are precious to the Lord. While we have learned today that immorality was not an issue, no doubt the enemy has exploited vulnerabilities in their marriage.
What the devil has not counted on is the Christ-like maturity and intercession that is currently being raised up all across the earth in response. We hope you will join us as a part of this prayer covering.
It is GOD TV's position that marriage is a foundational cornerstone to those families called to ministry and would believe that those who have spiritual oversight for Todd and Shonnah's ministry will recommend a time of sabbatical for the family in order to seek reconciliation within their marriage should these reports be accurate.
As many of you know, August 8th was our final 'Lakeland' broadcast. We do however, believe that it is important to recognize and defend the authenticity of this outpouring by the testimonies of the countless thousands who viewed on GOD TV or attended at Lakeland and were healed, set free and delivered through Jesus Christ. There are many churches around the UK, USA and the world who are currently holding nightly revival meetings affecting whole communities.
Once again at this time may we encourage all to pray for the family and soberly remember that all of us will be required to give account to the Lord for our lives. It is our earnest prayer that Todd and Shonnah will be fully reconciled.
Rory & Wendy Alec
and the Board of GOD TV
It is unfortunate that Todd's family is going through a tough time and other Christian leaders have often neglected their families for what they thought was the work of God. If this 'outpouring' dies than we'll see it wasn't Holy Spirit drive but personality driven.
I find it interesting that 8/8/08 was the final broadcast. I've heard it said that the number 8 represents new beginnings in the Bible.
oh c'mon.... if we're going into numerology, the number 8 means "prosperous" and "wealth" in Chinese. (this comes from my own heritage.) why do you think the olympics were chosen for 8/8/08?
Is Rod Parsley on the Olympic committee?
Re/ Bentley and wife,
Charisma magazine has an article written denouncing the lakeland phenom. It is tenderly written about the marriage issues of the bentleys. It says that he needs to be held accountable to some of the other false prophets ( in so many words ). Again the discernment is wanting. Budda notwithstanding. I will also pray for their reconciliation with each other and with God. I think I'll go get another tattoo on my neck that says "obey God don't pierce yourself or mark yourself", next to my bolts.
Not a bad idea to put Parsley on the Olympic committee pigseye. He has no business being in the pulpit! Yes it's tragic that the Bentley's are divorcing. Wagner,Ahn,Joyner,Arnott,and the other false prophets should've seen it coming! LOL!
Todd and Shonnah are NOT divorcing. There is a separation and that is all governement legality. And someone stated earlier - that the Lakeland thing ended at the news of this issue of Todd's family life. It did stop on the TV and the tent came down at the airport. That was planned to end in the tent in August anyway. HOWEVER, revival meetings continue at Ignited Church in Lakeland FL and people are still going there. Leaders you may not have heard of are doing those meetings. Meaning, that this revival was and is not about Todd. So... say what you want to in your shortsightedness.
A separation is nothing but government legality...and doesn't mean divorce???
I'd like to have some of WHATEVER you've been drinking/smoking.
The 'schrooms' must be especially good, this week.
Where are you located THomas?
Hey pigseye, I have the GIFT of discernment. A prophet told me, so it must be true. AND Tattoos are cool. If your going to quote the law, I hope your not wearing anything with mixed or blended cloth. Or eating seafood or pork, or...etc... hypocrite.
budda you must be a real ass ho..
Have you stopped wetting your bed yet? I'll pray for your bladder.
Read Luke 11:15-20 and think with your head not your emotions as you read and invite the Holy Spirit to guide you as you read. This is directed for those that so loosely use the title Reverend, I hold no worshipful respect for anyone but God Almighty~what do you think He meant when He said the words in Matthew 23:9. We all forget the time he used a jackass to speak because the prophet wouldn't listen. So I always remember that for myself and when I hear others speak that in my opinion aren't where I think they should be spirtually. Perhaps we all are in the prophets situation. Didn't he call the religious order of the day white washed tombs full of dead man's bones? One day we will all stand before Him which words are we going to hear "well done good and faithful servant enter into my rest" or depart from me you workers of iniquity I knew you not". In Luke it's clear that a house divided against itself cannot stand and I sure heard Jesus Christ being exalted and they were giving Him the glory for the miracles. Yes scripture says that demons know God and tremble but it doesn't say they cast out demons cast out demons. Read the scripture in Luke11:15-20
To accuse the false clergy of propagating nonsense in the name
of Jesus, when it is clearly not scriptural, is not blasphemy of the spirit. To not believe in a miracle of God, when it is obvious that it is of God and to say rather that it is from Satan, that is blasphemy against the Spirit. Read the book of Jude. ( Its only a chapter long ). Read 2 Timothy ch.3 vs 13 thru ch.4 vs 4. Read also 2 Peter Ch.2 . There are many more
that warn about false prophets ( you will know them by their fruit )and the right / responsibility of a believer to check everything out, test the spirits to see if they are from God. These folks will tell you not to check it out but to open up to any and everything. They all talk about the gifts of the spirit..
which we are all blessed with in one way or the other. But they disregard the fruit of the spirit. Thats the one that can't be faked.
Well, it ain't nice to be ugly to people, no matter how sinful they are (including "false prophets"). And being ugly to them may be wounding to them spiritually and therefore wrong.
Even so, you're right. Accusing them of being full of sh*t may be a lot of things, but it sure as hell ain't blasphemy of the spirit. Any of the nutjobs that say otherwise need to get their heads examined.
Don't look now pigseye but Bentley has been suspended by his board of directors. Seems Toddy had a little affair with one of his female staffers! Yes I know many ministers have been caught in the same sin. One would think that Todd being on a higher spiritual plateau than the average Christian wouldn't have time for such mundane things as adultery! More allegations are pending. Such great fruit from Todd! LOL!
Rob Bentley: Well dear, are you ready?
Female Staffer: *giggles, glassy-eyed* Yes, Pastor.
Rob Bentley: Then elevate me.
Female Staffer: Now? Right here?
Rob Bentley: Yes yes, right now! Raise the platform!
Female Staffer: Oh... yes, right... the platform...
I'm sure that's how it all went down....
Is it pronounced Frederick or Frodrick? BTW who's Rob Bentley?
the names have been changed until allegations have been proven as true.
Ummm, I just want to note that its August 19, and this article was posted July 22. Is there any NEW material coming before Christmas? First no magazine, now the staff has burned out on updated material.
Dude this article was posted August 15th on Todd's Fresh Fire website. Where are you getting this July 22 stuff? I'm talking about the action Todd's board of directors took against him. Hats off to the board standing up to this adulterous parasite! Also hats off to Stephen Strang whom I disagree a lot with. He said Todd is bordering on blasphemy against the Spirit. Strang is referring to Todd saying, "in the name of the Father,Son,Holy Spirit,and BAM!" I wouldn't be surprised if the new allegations are about mishandling ministry money. Or some such thing. We shall see!
Uuummm, Discerner, I believe the article dude was referring to was the very Door article we are all beating long since dead. He wasn't talking about your fresh fire article.
Gotcha! My mistake.
I think we are the material.
That is sooo unfortunate, SRebe.
Hey, BTW, does anyone want a couple cats? They are really good cats, two boys- with claws, without the dangly bits. I like 'em but I am going to be traveling a lot so I need to find a good home for them. They are trained to have philosophical discussions. They prefer Aristotle and Aquinas. The grey one has a deep dislike for Kierkegaard and the black one is currently reading Descartes. Neither are Buddhist, so they would be safe for evangelicals.
I'm actually serious about needing to give away two cats, if anyone is interested let me know.
Todd Bentley insulted Christianity and Blasphemed the Holy Spirit every time that he said the Holy Spirit told him to punch, choke and kick people. God would NEVER say that. Todd was under spiritual attack throughout the crusade. He discerned NO spirits but every voice he heard he assumed was from God....So all the voices he heard were demons whispering in his ear "Kick that person with your biker boot." "Punch him in the stomach" "Choke her." Obviously demons were telling him to do so and that angel "Emma" was probably the SAME messenger that appearred to Joseph Smith...For the bible CLEARLY says Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light.
Todd Bentley scared many people away from Christianity as a result of his violent ministry. Lord have mercy.
He may have been full of sh*t and he might very well have been a parading charlatan and showman, but he didn't "blaspheme the holy spirit" as far as you or I can know. That's between him and G-d.
Todd Bentley insulted Christianity and Blasphemed the Holy Spirit every time that he said the Holy Spirit told him to punch, choke and kick people. God would NEVER say that. Todd was under spiritual attack throughout the crusade. He discerned NO spirits but every voice he heard he assumed was from God....So all the voices he heard were demons whispering in his ear "Kick that person with your biker boot." "Punch him in the stomach" "Choke her." Obviously demons were telling him to do so and that angel "Emma" was probably the SAME messenger that appearred to Joseph Smith...For the bible CLEARLY says Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light.
Todd Bentley scared many people away from Christianity as a result of his violent ministry. Lord have mercy.
Sadly a Muslim doubts Christ because of Todd Bentley. Please check out this Muslims youtube and please EVERYONE lets work together to bring him to the TRUE knowledge of Christ. Here is the link you can cut and paste:
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=MmjUVmMJNbg
srsly no one wants a couple gently used cats?
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